1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,230 [Music] 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:14,310 [Applause] 3 00:00:18,950 --> 00:00:16,390 it was basically a cube with inside of 4 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:18,960 sphere where the points of the cube 5 00:00:38,709 --> 00:00:34,290 [Music] 6 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:38,719 so this isn't anything that just is 7 00:00:45,350 --> 00:00:40,960 limited to the united states it's a 8 00:00:50,069 --> 00:00:47,830 hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo 9 00:00:53,029 --> 00:00:50,079 podcast a special show for you here we 10 00:00:55,270 --> 00:00:53,039 have uh on the verge of historical ufo 11 00:00:58,310 --> 00:00:55,280 hearings in brazil later this month on 12 00:01:00,790 --> 00:00:58,320 the 24th of june i am joined all the way 13 00:01:02,709 --> 00:01:00,800 from rio de janeiro in brazil the 14 00:01:05,350 --> 00:01:02,719 beautiful country of brazil 15 00:01:07,190 --> 00:01:05,360 ronnie vernet a ufo researcher and 16 00:01:09,030 --> 00:01:07,200 journalist out there ronnie welcome to 17 00:01:10,870 --> 00:01:09,040 the podcast 18 00:01:13,109 --> 00:01:10,880 thank you very much i hope you have a 19 00:01:15,270 --> 00:01:13,119 great conversation thanks for inviting 20 00:01:17,910 --> 00:01:15,280 me thank for your audience that you see 21 00:01:21,350 --> 00:01:17,920 this this recording i think we will have 22 00:01:24,070 --> 00:01:21,360 some good stuff to to talk about today 23 00:01:26,710 --> 00:01:24,080 yeah and listen it's truly a worldwide 24 00:01:28,230 --> 00:01:26,720 conversation now so people listening to 25 00:01:30,390 --> 00:01:28,240 this from all over the world are going 26 00:01:32,710 --> 00:01:30,400 to hear someone from brazil and someone 27 00:01:34,550 --> 00:01:32,720 from scotland talking about an issue 28 00:01:36,390 --> 00:01:34,560 which affects everyone and i think 29 00:01:39,590 --> 00:01:36,400 that's really important for the 30 00:01:41,590 --> 00:01:39,600 conversation and and ronnie before we 31 00:01:44,469 --> 00:01:41,600 get to discussing the hearings that are 32 00:01:47,510 --> 00:01:44,479 coming up soon i want to ask you 33 00:01:49,350 --> 00:01:47,520 how did your interest in the ufo subject 34 00:01:51,350 --> 00:01:49,360 begin 35 00:01:54,710 --> 00:01:51,360 yes since i was a child i always had 36 00:01:57,510 --> 00:01:54,720 that scientific veins my scientific 37 00:02:00,149 --> 00:01:57,520 interest into to to question is this 38 00:02:03,350 --> 00:02:00,159 real what these people is talking about 39 00:02:07,190 --> 00:02:03,360 and these events are real i i was born 40 00:02:09,190 --> 00:02:07,200 uh one year before the the 41 00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:09,200 what we call in brazil the official ufo 42 00:02:13,030 --> 00:02:10,080 night 43 00:02:16,309 --> 00:02:13,040 when the the brazilian air force 44 00:02:20,070 --> 00:02:16,319 uh tracked and and and and tried to to 45 00:02:22,470 --> 00:02:20,080 pursue uh 21 no objects in brazilian 46 00:02:25,830 --> 00:02:22,480 skies in rio sao paulo and other other 47 00:02:28,309 --> 00:02:25,840 states and this was a huge event uh the 48 00:02:29,830 --> 00:02:28,319 the the commander of the air force go to 49 00:02:32,949 --> 00:02:29,840 the national tv 50 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:32,959 say this happening this is true so 51 00:02:38,869 --> 00:02:36,400 this type of events always always get me 52 00:02:41,350 --> 00:02:38,879 curious to know if this is real this is 53 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:41,360 happening why why are not scientifically 54 00:02:45,190 --> 00:02:43,680 studied in it that was just very strange 55 00:02:47,589 --> 00:02:45,200 so since 56 00:02:50,150 --> 00:02:47,599 then i was monitoring this these events 57 00:02:53,270 --> 00:02:50,160 in brazil in the world also reading some 58 00:02:56,710 --> 00:02:53,280 books and but not uh in an active way 59 00:02:59,270 --> 00:02:56,720 more passive just watching just studying 60 00:03:00,149 --> 00:02:59,280 and in 2018 61 00:03:02,229 --> 00:03:00,159 uh 62 00:03:04,869 --> 00:03:02,239 i i read the book by a researcher here 63 00:03:07,910 --> 00:03:04,879 in brazil called mark peachy 64 00:03:10,710 --> 00:03:07,920 and about a hot spot a huge hot spot in 65 00:03:12,790 --> 00:03:10,720 rio de janeiro not in rio the the the 66 00:03:14,149 --> 00:03:12,800 municipality the city but the state of 67 00:03:15,589 --> 00:03:14,159 rio genera 68 00:03:19,350 --> 00:03:15,599 which brought her 69 00:03:22,229 --> 00:03:19,360 and i i said what well let's go check if 70 00:03:23,910 --> 00:03:22,239 this hotspot is if these events that are 71 00:03:26,309 --> 00:03:23,920 happening that are described in this 72 00:03:28,470 --> 00:03:26,319 book are real and i went to that place 73 00:03:33,190 --> 00:03:28,480 it's a place that i visited since 74 00:03:35,750 --> 00:03:33,200 2018 to to to the to right now so i saw 75 00:03:38,710 --> 00:03:35,760 this this phenomenon a few inches a few 76 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:38,720 meters from me so that time i said oh i 77 00:03:43,110 --> 00:03:41,440 have to to to do something this must be 78 00:03:46,229 --> 00:03:43,120 studied scientific 79 00:03:49,509 --> 00:03:46,239 uh i i need to ask people i need to to 80 00:03:53,429 --> 00:03:49,519 to to help i need to with a little 81 00:03:56,470 --> 00:03:53,439 effort what all i can do to help to to 82 00:03:57,589 --> 00:03:56,480 to move the balls further to to this to 83 00:04:00,789 --> 00:03:57,599 this 84 00:04:02,229 --> 00:04:00,799 subject would be good so since 2018 i 85 00:04:03,670 --> 00:04:02,239 started to visit some field 86 00:04:06,070 --> 00:04:03,680 investigations 87 00:04:09,509 --> 00:04:06,080 trying trying to install some equipments 88 00:04:10,869 --> 00:04:09,519 to monitor these these events uh in two 89 00:04:15,030 --> 00:04:10,879 years ago 90 00:04:17,830 --> 00:04:15,040 in 2020 i started to some requests in 91 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:17,840 freedom of information acts in brazil to 92 00:04:21,590 --> 00:04:19,120 to try to 93 00:04:24,629 --> 00:04:21,600 to achieve some documents from brazilian 94 00:04:27,110 --> 00:04:24,639 government about some incidents 95 00:04:29,510 --> 00:04:27,120 i i was lucky because i was successful 96 00:04:31,830 --> 00:04:29,520 almost in the first try 97 00:04:35,189 --> 00:04:31,840 when i when i received 98 00:04:36,710 --> 00:04:35,199 almost 200 pages of documents and 20 99 00:04:38,150 --> 00:04:36,720 minutes of videos 100 00:04:39,990 --> 00:04:38,160 talking about 101 00:04:43,189 --> 00:04:40,000 encounters between 102 00:04:46,070 --> 00:04:43,199 ufo urp and industrial stripes in brazil 103 00:04:48,950 --> 00:04:46,080 in a various isolated place in amazon 104 00:04:50,710 --> 00:04:48,960 forest and since then all my my interest 105 00:04:51,990 --> 00:04:50,720 in the subject 106 00:04:55,430 --> 00:04:52,000 was growing 107 00:04:58,710 --> 00:04:55,440 i i i i play sometimes and say oh 108 00:04:59,590 --> 00:04:58,720 nothing happens uh without the reason 109 00:05:01,590 --> 00:04:59,600 and 110 00:05:04,870 --> 00:05:01,600 a lot of a lot of things in my life are 111 00:05:06,710 --> 00:05:04,880 happening that's me 112 00:05:08,790 --> 00:05:06,720 brings me more attention and more 113 00:05:11,430 --> 00:05:08,800 interested and more 114 00:05:13,990 --> 00:05:11,440 efforts to help in this in this topic 115 00:05:16,870 --> 00:05:14,000 and and this is how how that's uh 116 00:05:18,550 --> 00:05:16,880 everything started with that my my the 117 00:05:21,270 --> 00:05:18,560 phenomenon of observations of the 118 00:05:24,790 --> 00:05:21,280 phenomena in that hot spot the the 119 00:05:27,590 --> 00:05:24,800 requests from government and so on until 120 00:05:29,510 --> 00:05:27,600 now when were you going to the first uap 121 00:05:32,950 --> 00:05:29,520 here in brazil 122 00:05:35,270 --> 00:05:32,960 now you you mention your observations of 123 00:05:38,390 --> 00:05:35,280 the phenomenon in a hot spot 124 00:05:41,029 --> 00:05:38,400 have you had your own experiences or own 125 00:05:44,550 --> 00:05:41,039 sightings of anything unexplainable any 126 00:05:47,550 --> 00:05:44,560 ufos you've seen yourself 127 00:05:50,230 --> 00:05:47,560 yes i had previous that these events in 128 00:05:53,830 --> 00:05:50,240 2018 that hotspot 129 00:05:56,950 --> 00:05:53,840 i saw i visited some places not to to to 130 00:06:00,469 --> 00:05:56,960 observe ufos but to work in my my 131 00:06:02,870 --> 00:06:00,479 my my work as engineer uh and in that 132 00:06:05,270 --> 00:06:02,880 place i saw some strange lights 133 00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:05,280 far away that you question oh is is that 134 00:06:11,189 --> 00:06:08,479 a natural phenomena is that uh something 135 00:06:13,270 --> 00:06:11,199 more more unexplained 136 00:06:16,309 --> 00:06:13,280 but when i started to 137 00:06:17,350 --> 00:06:16,319 visit these hot spots uh is that the 138 00:06:20,629 --> 00:06:17,360 moment 139 00:06:22,950 --> 00:06:20,639 that i saw things closer i said inches a 140 00:06:25,029 --> 00:06:22,960 few meters from me so you don't have 141 00:06:28,390 --> 00:06:25,039 questions you don't have any doubt about 142 00:06:29,909 --> 00:06:28,400 that it's something that's not ex 143 00:06:31,909 --> 00:06:29,919 we don't know the origins we don't we 144 00:06:34,629 --> 00:06:31,919 can't explain something different that 145 00:06:37,270 --> 00:06:34,639 you need to to do further investigations 146 00:06:38,150 --> 00:06:37,280 and i have some some huge experience in 147 00:06:43,510 --> 00:06:38,160 that 148 00:06:45,350 --> 00:06:43,520 brazil se hada beliza or in english the 149 00:06:46,950 --> 00:06:45,360 beauty hill is a very very beautiful 150 00:06:49,110 --> 00:06:46,960 place 151 00:06:52,230 --> 00:06:49,120 and what did you see that was so close 152 00:06:55,510 --> 00:06:52,240 to you can you describe that 153 00:06:58,390 --> 00:06:55,520 yes in 2018 uh i was doing some of 154 00:07:00,870 --> 00:06:58,400 reservations the phenomenon there 155 00:07:03,589 --> 00:07:00,880 we have more often more frequency in the 156 00:07:05,270 --> 00:07:03,599 winter brazilian winter which is june 157 00:07:07,909 --> 00:07:05,280 july august 158 00:07:09,270 --> 00:07:07,919 so was what was there in that place in 159 00:07:13,110 --> 00:07:09,280 that time 160 00:07:15,350 --> 00:07:13,120 between 6 p.m and 8 p.m is the the peak 161 00:07:17,909 --> 00:07:15,360 of the phenomenon there so as they are 162 00:07:21,110 --> 00:07:17,919 doing some observations i saw a huge 163 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:21,120 huge uh spherical white 164 00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:22,800 light moving 165 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:24,160 uh in 166 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:25,280 maybe 167 00:07:29,189 --> 00:07:26,080 uh 168 00:07:31,189 --> 00:07:29,199 a thousand feet from me 169 00:07:33,749 --> 00:07:31,199 it was very very big 170 00:07:35,749 --> 00:07:33,759 uh the light didn't affect my eyes which 171 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:35,759 was very strange because it was so 172 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:36,800 intense 173 00:07:41,589 --> 00:07:39,280 uh but the radiation didn't affect my my 174 00:07:44,869 --> 00:07:41,599 eyes i could see i could stare at it 175 00:07:46,309 --> 00:07:44,879 without uh any in any physiological 176 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:46,319 effects 177 00:07:52,150 --> 00:07:49,520 and a lot of minutes that light was like 178 00:07:54,070 --> 00:07:52,160 investigating some some it's not in the 179 00:07:56,469 --> 00:07:54,080 sky the events there don't happen in the 180 00:07:59,830 --> 00:07:56,479 sky david's there happened in the ground 181 00:08:01,830 --> 00:07:59,840 near the hills near the trees uh there 182 00:08:04,070 --> 00:08:01,840 you don't even need to look to the sky 183 00:08:04,790 --> 00:08:04,080 because the events are there near from 184 00:08:06,469 --> 00:08:04,800 us 185 00:08:08,309 --> 00:08:06,479 near the ground so 186 00:08:10,950 --> 00:08:08,319 and this big light was like 187 00:08:13,270 --> 00:08:10,960 investigating that place 188 00:08:14,390 --> 00:08:13,280 five to ten minutes pass it nothing more 189 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:14,400 happened 190 00:08:20,790 --> 00:08:17,840 and and some a little light a little 191 00:08:22,869 --> 00:08:20,800 white light maybe 192 00:08:24,390 --> 00:08:22,879 10 inches 193 00:08:27,749 --> 00:08:24,400 and maybe one feet 194 00:08:29,110 --> 00:08:27,759 and one feet uh a half meter because in 195 00:08:31,110 --> 00:08:29,120 brazil you use meters so i have to 196 00:08:34,149 --> 00:08:31,120 convert the the units yeah sometimes so 197 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:34,159 i get creative with that but uh uh is in 198 00:08:40,790 --> 00:08:37,360 brazil a half meter uh spherical object 199 00:08:43,029 --> 00:08:40,800 white object that came behind me 200 00:08:44,310 --> 00:08:43,039 one meter to two meters from me of 201 00:08:46,949 --> 00:08:44,320 distance 202 00:08:48,949 --> 00:08:46,959 this white light came behind me and pass 203 00:08:52,230 --> 00:08:48,959 it in front of me is 204 00:08:54,630 --> 00:08:52,240 the movement was very headachely 205 00:08:55,990 --> 00:08:54,640 again very intense but did not affect my 206 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:56,000 eyes 207 00:08:59,190 --> 00:08:56,880 and 208 00:09:00,949 --> 00:08:59,200 that moment i was very very scared i was 209 00:09:02,790 --> 00:09:00,959 with my ex-wife 210 00:09:03,910 --> 00:09:02,800 and it was very scary because what was 211 00:09:06,310 --> 00:09:03,920 so close 212 00:09:09,350 --> 00:09:06,320 and i got my cell phone and turned it on 213 00:09:10,870 --> 00:09:09,360 the flashlight and in in 214 00:09:13,430 --> 00:09:10,880 put in the direction of that light my 215 00:09:15,750 --> 00:09:13,440 flashlight and in that moment this 216 00:09:17,590 --> 00:09:15,760 little light and this big light everyone 217 00:09:19,990 --> 00:09:17,600 has gone simply gone 218 00:09:21,590 --> 00:09:20,000 so in that moment i i said oh my god 219 00:09:22,470 --> 00:09:21,600 what what happened in 220 00:09:25,430 --> 00:09:22,480 uh 221 00:09:27,910 --> 00:09:25,440 and i visit these places 222 00:09:30,630 --> 00:09:27,920 i started to do a real real research 223 00:09:31,590 --> 00:09:30,640 there after this event 224 00:09:34,710 --> 00:09:31,600 uh 225 00:09:37,590 --> 00:09:34,720 every i i visit this place every month 226 00:09:39,910 --> 00:09:37,600 since 2018 to these days even the 227 00:09:42,150 --> 00:09:39,920 pandemic i was visiting there 228 00:09:45,590 --> 00:09:42,160 and seeing more and more phenomena what 229 00:09:48,710 --> 00:09:46,790 what's the direction that the 230 00:09:51,509 --> 00:09:48,720 researchers there and these hot spots 231 00:09:54,470 --> 00:09:51,519 going it's very very close 232 00:09:56,389 --> 00:09:54,480 what we some not all the things we saw 233 00:09:58,790 --> 00:09:56,399 in the skywalker range 234 00:10:01,750 --> 00:09:58,800 but a lot of events that happens in ski 235 00:10:04,310 --> 00:10:01,760 rocker range we see also in this place 236 00:10:05,750 --> 00:10:04,320 in brazil the the very going english the 237 00:10:07,829 --> 00:10:05,760 beauty hue 238 00:10:09,030 --> 00:10:07,839 we are selling shadow people 239 00:10:10,870 --> 00:10:09,040 uh 240 00:10:12,949 --> 00:10:10,880 big big big 241 00:10:13,910 --> 00:10:12,959 three meters to five meters humanoid 242 00:10:16,870 --> 00:10:13,920 figures 243 00:10:19,990 --> 00:10:16,880 uh shadow or black of solid and that 244 00:10:21,190 --> 00:10:20,000 they can fly then they can 245 00:10:23,670 --> 00:10:21,200 [Music] 246 00:10:26,310 --> 00:10:23,680 they can change shape shift shape 247 00:10:30,870 --> 00:10:26,320 and i saw with my eyes i have a 248 00:10:32,470 --> 00:10:30,880 recording about that not a optical zoom 249 00:10:35,829 --> 00:10:32,480 affordable recording but the same 250 00:10:38,470 --> 00:10:35,839 professional camera as sony recorded 251 00:10:41,110 --> 00:10:38,480 and this is one thing another thing is 252 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:41,120 that place has a cross installed in the 253 00:10:45,750 --> 00:10:43,120 top of the hill 254 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:45,760 and it's a big cross it's a 255 00:10:50,230 --> 00:10:48,240 13 meter cross of height 256 00:10:52,310 --> 00:10:50,240 and this phenomenon we don't know why 257 00:10:55,030 --> 00:10:52,320 but these phenomenas lights phenomena 258 00:10:55,990 --> 00:10:55,040 these beings are attracted by this big 259 00:10:58,310 --> 00:10:56,000 cross 260 00:11:01,670 --> 00:10:58,320 it's something starting to to to 261 00:11:03,990 --> 00:11:01,680 question uh the the catholic church and 262 00:11:07,269 --> 00:11:04,000 the religious 263 00:11:09,430 --> 00:11:07,279 are use the cross symbol because 264 00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:09,440 this cross they know that attracts these 265 00:11:14,470 --> 00:11:12,480 angels which is i mean the lights 266 00:11:16,949 --> 00:11:14,480 are are something different and it's 267 00:11:19,110 --> 00:11:16,959 we're starting to to come to 268 00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:19,120 this direction of research about these 269 00:11:24,150 --> 00:11:21,760 beings about these lights and current 270 00:11:27,030 --> 00:11:24,160 right now you can see my 271 00:11:29,430 --> 00:11:27,040 my board white white board behind me i'm 272 00:11:32,389 --> 00:11:29,440 i'm doing a huge project of monitoring 273 00:11:35,750 --> 00:11:32,399 we have a lot of solar panels antennas 274 00:11:38,630 --> 00:11:35,760 cameras with with big optical zoom 275 00:11:40,949 --> 00:11:38,640 all types of cameras all sky cameras ptz 276 00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:40,959 cameras and so on to monitor this event 277 00:11:46,389 --> 00:11:43,360 and everything will be started in 20 for 278 00:11:48,630 --> 00:11:46,399 june 24 which the the the 279 00:11:51,750 --> 00:11:48,640 the day we are being in senate is 280 00:11:53,030 --> 00:11:51,760 something like uh let's let's let's uh 281 00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:53,040 uh 282 00:11:58,550 --> 00:11:55,440 start this big project instead in that 283 00:12:00,949 --> 00:11:58,560 big big big data that's the the uap here 284 00:12:03,430 --> 00:12:00,959 in brazil so this is this is something a 285 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:03,440 little a little sample of what i'm 286 00:12:08,150 --> 00:12:05,360 working right now here 287 00:12:10,710 --> 00:12:08,160 and what what i have experience have had 288 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:10,720 experience in in the past 289 00:12:14,310 --> 00:12:12,240 thank you for sharing that's a 290 00:12:17,990 --> 00:12:14,320 fascinating experience and i just want 291 00:12:21,190 --> 00:12:18,000 to ask one thing coming so close to to 292 00:12:23,910 --> 00:12:21,200 this object did you suffer any ill 293 00:12:26,150 --> 00:12:23,920 effects any medical issues afterwards 294 00:12:28,069 --> 00:12:26,160 because we hear that people when they 295 00:12:31,030 --> 00:12:28,079 have experiences with these types of 296 00:12:32,870 --> 00:12:31,040 orbs or spherical objects can suffer 297 00:12:35,590 --> 00:12:32,880 from sickness did you or your ex-wife 298 00:12:38,870 --> 00:12:35,600 suffer from anything 299 00:12:41,990 --> 00:12:38,880 yes i think we have a little difference 300 00:12:45,350 --> 00:12:42,000 that i can i cannot explain i just can't 301 00:12:47,910 --> 00:12:45,360 hypothetically uh talk about that i 302 00:12:49,990 --> 00:12:47,920 think we have a technological device 303 00:12:52,710 --> 00:12:50,000 which emanating a lot of radiation 304 00:12:56,150 --> 00:12:52,720 electromagnetic radiation 305 00:12:58,230 --> 00:12:56,160 infrared radiation ultraviolet ionizing 306 00:13:01,190 --> 00:12:58,240 radiation and these technological 307 00:13:03,990 --> 00:13:01,200 devices affect us really hard 308 00:13:07,030 --> 00:13:04,000 with headaches with with cancer and so 309 00:13:09,269 --> 00:13:07,040 on but in this in this hot spot in 310 00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:09,279 brazil what i'm noticing what the 311 00:13:11,990 --> 00:13:11,200 researching is going to the direction 312 00:13:15,269 --> 00:13:12,000 that 313 00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:15,279 these are like uh i don't know if it is 314 00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:17,600 in fact that but it's something like 315 00:13:22,470 --> 00:13:20,000 another reality or another dementia and 316 00:13:25,829 --> 00:13:22,480 other interdimensional beings 317 00:13:28,389 --> 00:13:25,839 because these objects don't don't 318 00:13:31,030 --> 00:13:28,399 don't don't don't seem to interact 319 00:13:33,110 --> 00:13:31,040 physically for a world we can see as a 320 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:33,120 light we can see these beings but 321 00:13:38,949 --> 00:13:36,000 sometimes these lights transverse 322 00:13:40,629 --> 00:13:38,959 through our body without affect anything 323 00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:40,639 don't have a noise 324 00:13:45,910 --> 00:13:43,120 don't affect our eyes so it's something 325 00:13:48,389 --> 00:13:45,920 that is there we can see but not 326 00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:48,399 interact with our reality that does not 327 00:13:54,150 --> 00:13:51,680 interact your physical world so this is 328 00:13:56,790 --> 00:13:54,160 this is something another 329 00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:56,800 type of phenomena i could i could 330 00:14:01,110 --> 00:13:59,040 i could point this phenomena in 331 00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:01,120 indigenous tribes in brazil 332 00:14:06,790 --> 00:14:04,000 and colada's operational saucer all all 333 00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:06,800 of them are technological devices are 334 00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:08,160 are 335 00:14:13,910 --> 00:14:10,880 vehicles aero vehicles that can 336 00:14:16,550 --> 00:14:13,920 perform uh physically like almost 337 00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:16,560 impossible and they affect people 338 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:18,000 they they 339 00:14:24,069 --> 00:14:23,040 these people it has headaches reddish 340 00:14:26,069 --> 00:14:24,079 fish 341 00:14:27,910 --> 00:14:26,079 and and 342 00:14:30,069 --> 00:14:27,920 and so on all the other physiological 343 00:14:32,710 --> 00:14:30,079 effects that we know about the some a 344 00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:32,720 lot of uapk's so i think we're starting 345 00:14:36,870 --> 00:14:34,800 to to see two patterns here the the 346 00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:36,880 technological device and some like 347 00:14:39,750 --> 00:14:38,399 interdimensional something like that 348 00:14:41,269 --> 00:14:39,760 device 349 00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:41,279 or beings 350 00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:44,320 how are ufos seen are 351 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:46,959 trapped as a subject in brazil 352 00:14:52,629 --> 00:14:49,440 south america as a continent seems much 353 00:14:54,629 --> 00:14:52,639 more open and accepting of phenomena and 354 00:14:57,430 --> 00:14:54,639 the spiritual side of life the 355 00:15:02,150 --> 00:14:57,440 paranormal and that's something else how 356 00:15:04,629 --> 00:15:02,160 is the topic of ufos seen in the public 357 00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:04,639 uh i think we are very open to that 358 00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:05,839 subject 359 00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:06,959 uh 360 00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:09,839 even the politics the military and some 361 00:15:13,269 --> 00:15:12,240 are more open than other countries about 362 00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:13,279 that 363 00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:14,320 uh 364 00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:20,800 religious people 365 00:15:24,069 --> 00:15:21,600 uh 366 00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:24,079 we have a lot of people that follows for 367 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:26,160 example spiritualism and so on brazil 368 00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,480 spiritual is very very big in brazil so 369 00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:30,240 this is one reason that i think that 370 00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:32,480 people are more open about that and and 371 00:15:36,310 --> 00:15:34,480 we'll talk about the europeans and they 372 00:15:39,430 --> 00:15:36,320 are touching that 373 00:15:42,069 --> 00:15:39,440 spiritism religious facts because some 374 00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:42,079 politicians some senators some 375 00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:44,079 representatives here in brazil follow 376 00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:46,959 that religions and i think this i i 377 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:48,240 don't i don't know if it's the best 378 00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:50,160 approach the religious approach i prefer 379 00:15:54,389 --> 00:15:52,320 the scientific approach but it's 380 00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:54,399 something that help us to be more open 381 00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:57,839 and to have more information about that 382 00:16:02,069 --> 00:16:00,160 over the last four or five years there's 383 00:16:03,509 --> 00:16:02,079 been huge coverage especially in the 384 00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:03,519 united states 385 00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:05,600 since the the new york times article 386 00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:08,160 from leslie kane ralph blumenthal and 387 00:16:12,870 --> 00:16:10,639 helene cooper and pilots have come 388 00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:12,880 forward you've had david fravor on the 389 00:16:18,069 --> 00:16:15,519 joe rogan podcast and others we've had 390 00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:18,079 the uap task force report and just 391 00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:21,600 recently the hearings in u.s congress 392 00:16:27,110 --> 00:16:23,680 what has the media coverage been like in 393 00:16:28,550 --> 00:16:27,120 brazil of these events 394 00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:28,560 uh 395 00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:30,720 we didn't have at first 396 00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:32,800 a lot of attention 397 00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:35,279 in 2017 if i'm not 398 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:37,839 if i'm aware 399 00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:40,240 but sometime with a delay a little delay 400 00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:42,800 how the media started to to in brazil we 401 00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:44,880 started to talk about it 402 00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:46,959 oh that was uh how the military are 403 00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:49,440 coming forward we have the uab task 404 00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:52,639 force we have some new legislation and 405 00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:55,600 fix some some kind of two years ago we 406 00:17:01,509 --> 00:16:59,279 have uh we had a huge huge covering of 407 00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:01,519 the media about in brazil about these 408 00:17:05,669 --> 00:17:04,000 events and and this is the reason i'm 409 00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:05,679 here talking with you the reason i'm 410 00:17:10,949 --> 00:17:08,319 here talk with you because u.s military 411 00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:10,959 was congress made us us of government 412 00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:13,360 officials and and the government by 413 00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:15,919 itself declared that this is something 414 00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:18,880 real so i'm i'm here very comfortable 415 00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:21,280 with this reduced stigma to talk about 416 00:17:25,029 --> 00:17:23,360 it because i here in brazil i work in 417 00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:25,039 the biggest oil company in brazil i have 418 00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:27,520 a career as an engineer here 419 00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:28,880 and i i 420 00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:31,280 in the past i was very afraid to to talk 421 00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:33,039 about the subject but because you know 422 00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:34,960 the consequence that we had in the past 423 00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:37,520 oh you're crazy you're you're you're 424 00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:39,039 talking this something this like 425 00:17:43,669 --> 00:17:41,600 conspiration theory 426 00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:43,679 and everything changed since then so my 427 00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:45,440 very i'm very comfortable right now to 428 00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:47,760 talk with you about that and this is the 429 00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:49,760 one of the main reasons beside my 430 00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:52,160 experience beside my work in the in this 431 00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:54,640 subject the main reasons i'm i can come 432 00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:58,400 forward and contribute with this subject 433 00:18:01,669 --> 00:17:59,120 so 434 00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:01,679 thank you tell the listeners ronnie 435 00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:04,080 how did the hearings come about what has 436 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:06,960 happened in brazil that we are now weeks 437 00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:10,240 away from from massive worldwide you 438 00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:12,080 know news happening when these hearings 439 00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:14,320 take place 440 00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:17,760 yes the last year uh 2021 441 00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:21,360 uh i had i i created a plan 442 00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:22,720 to approach 443 00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:25,919 some military politicians scientists and 444 00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:26,960 so on 445 00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:30,080 i started to to to create it to write 446 00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:31,360 about it 447 00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:34,559 and i approached it 448 00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:37,360 which is uh i think the the the most 449 00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:39,919 known ufologist in brazil 450 00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:41,039 java 451 00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:43,039 is the representative of icer the 452 00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:45,840 organization that are trying to bring to 453 00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:48,480 the united nations this topic and i 454 00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:52,080 approached jeff i said oh java 455 00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:53,840 i have a plan 456 00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:56,480 i think we could do something like the 457 00:19:01,830 --> 00:18:59,039 u.s people are doing some lobby with 458 00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:01,840 some politics to bring that attention to 459 00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:04,799 them to have uap hearings to have new 460 00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:07,039 legislation to have a permanent body of 461 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:10,160 investigation and so on and javier said 462 00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:12,480 oh honey this is very good 463 00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:14,960 and and i have uh i already have a 464 00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:17,679 contact in the brazilian senate 465 00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:19,200 that can help us 466 00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:19,919 so 467 00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:26,640 with that matter please call me and this 468 00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:28,640 is started the conversation i started to 469 00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:31,840 help him with some ideas and but this 470 00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:34,320 was something that he was he's the i 471 00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:36,799 think he jeff is the the 472 00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,760 the the real responsible to everything 473 00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,760 is happening you surely i'm helping i i 474 00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,160 i'm doing my piece of this 475 00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:46,640 in this this work but we have to 476 00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:47,360 to 477 00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:51,679 guy that started this thing 478 00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,080 even before i had approached it with 479 00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:56,400 this idea and the eduardo shiro is the 480 00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,520 senator that javier uh 481 00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:01,840 was talking about eduardo you know he is 482 00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:03,760 very spiritualized 483 00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:04,960 [Music] 484 00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:07,280 person he had some experience personal 485 00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:09,679 experiences in the past that approached 486 00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:12,159 him to the ufo phenomena 487 00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:15,440 and they they wanted to do this uap 488 00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,000 hearing before the pandemic so 489 00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:20,559 two years ago before 2020 490 00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:24,159 but the pandemic comes and they had to 491 00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:25,039 to 492 00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:27,760 put that plan in stand by and wait the 493 00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:29,360 pandemic 494 00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:31,360 because you know let's let's talk about 495 00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,760 european to have people dying with kobe 496 00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:35,760 it's not it's not okay but 497 00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,000 so we had to to to to postpone this this 498 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:42,480 plan and now we're having the the 499 00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:49,230 what are the brazilian media's 500 00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,320 interpretations of the hearings are they 501 00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:54,400 positive about the hearings are they 502 00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:56,799 anxious what do they expect the hearings 503 00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:00,000 to contribute to the subject 504 00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:02,159 i think it's positive because the media 505 00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:05,840 is aware very very rare about that 506 00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:06,640 uh 507 00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:09,200 events in u.s about the europe here in 508 00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:12,159 us about the new legislation 509 00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:15,120 and the military and so on so this is 510 00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:16,400 the reason that 511 00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:17,280 uh 512 00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:19,760 dj is considering positive if you if you 513 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:22,320 are if you are in another reality 514 00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,919 another scenario without this this 515 00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,000 confirmation about the us government i 516 00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:30,320 think you would be very negative because 517 00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:31,679 people always say oh you're 518 00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:33,440 investigating flying saucers when you 519 00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,919 have some very poor poor people in 520 00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:36,960 brazil 521 00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:38,960 we have some health problems health 522 00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:42,000 systems education and so on what about 523 00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,080 why you're talking about this subject we 524 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,080 don't even know it's real but i think 525 00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:48,400 this time the the scenario is different 526 00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,520 the scenario is positive uh from people 527 00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:53,600 i really see some people very very 528 00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:56,159 skeptic because people are not informed 529 00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:57,520 what's happening 530 00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,840 but i think and people are saying oh we 531 00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,440 have health problems have education 532 00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,280 problems why what the hell are you 533 00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:05,919 discussing that but i think it's uh this 534 00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,640 is something like a wave people will 535 00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,720 start to become more more aware more 536 00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:12,559 more familiar and more and more informed 537 00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,280 about the subject uh with time i think 538 00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:17,120 it's a question of time but the media is 539 00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:20,880 is if us in that in that 540 00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,000 that issue and and some weeks ago the 541 00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,039 the biggest the biggest program sunday 542 00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,280 program sunday night program brazil it's 543 00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,840 like something like 60 minutes in u.s we 544 00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:33,840 call fantastico here in brazil and the 545 00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:35,919 fantastico 546 00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:39,120 did a very very good 547 00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,799 article in tv about a tv show about that 548 00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:45,360 and you it was very positive so i think 549 00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,880 it it the media is by our side 550 00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:50,640 that's great to hear there's a wave of 551 00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,440 momentum behind these hearings and the 552 00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:54,960 public are looking forward to it the 553 00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:57,760 media are being very positive 554 00:23:01,029 --> 00:23:00,240 what are the expectations that we will 555 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,039 see 556 00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:03,520 at these hearings recently in the us 557 00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:06,880 hearings we saw some footage presented 558 00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,120 are we likely to get similar footage 559 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,039 presented within the brazilian hearing 560 00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,360 as well 561 00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:15,760 i think we have some differences 562 00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,440 uh we will have military and government 563 00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:22,559 officials be invited but they won't talk 564 00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:25,039 this time they will just be observers 565 00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,320 okay 566 00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,320 they send it to us a lot of senators we 567 00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:30,000 have eight senators 568 00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,360 brazil that are interested in sponsoring 569 00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,159 this vp hearing we have eduardo and we 570 00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:40,320 have seven more okay 571 00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:41,360 uh 572 00:23:45,789 --> 00:23:42,400 but 573 00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:45,799 we have a lot of other senators that are 574 00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,039 expected skeptics are not familiar uh 575 00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:53,360 and they must be informed so the the 576 00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:55,679 main goal the main purpose of this vp 577 00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:58,960 hearing is to inform that other senators 578 00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:02,159 and bring them to our side so we can 579 00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,360 sure bring representatives congressmen 580 00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:07,919 approve legislation and so on so what 581 00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,400 you'll be showing that that you will be 582 00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:12,640 hearing here in brazil will bring some 583 00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,919 people with official documents like me 584 00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:17,760 like me like that investigated that 585 00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,080 these cases in 586 00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,960 indigenous tribes in brazil uh me 587 00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,400 personally i would talk about the 588 00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:26,799 official documentation that we have of 589 00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,080 operation saucer collars and so on 590 00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:32,960 that affected fisherman villages 591 00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,360 uh i'll talk about concrete case this 592 00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,200 case in this case in inaccuracy in 593 00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,360 brazil in north of brazil affecting 594 00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:41,200 indigenous tribes 595 00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:42,000 uh 596 00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:45,520 to to to to become to to become people 597 00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:48,880 to become uh to turn the senators uh 598 00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,840 skeptic senators aware about this this 599 00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,679 stuff so they even know the 600 00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,600 documentation they even know the case 601 00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,760 they're not familiar with that i think 602 00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:59,440 the first step 603 00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:00,400 to 604 00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,279 new way behaviors and talk about 605 00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,600 legislations we have the 606 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:12,720 the 607 00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,640 support of robert salas uh a former air 608 00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,919 force 609 00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:22,159 officer from from us 610 00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,279 we have gary hessentine from icer 611 00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:26,960 representing uk 612 00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:29,840 we have the louisiana zondo not physical 613 00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:32,320 there but he promised to send a 614 00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:37,200 recording to that uh to that event uh if 615 00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,320 a little brief i think he he won't 616 00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,159 be able to talk about anything that 617 00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,799 breaks his neda as we know but 618 00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,799 it's important for that because we have 619 00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:48,559 some senators we have some congressmen 620 00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,520 that even know who is alexander so it's 621 00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:53,760 important to to have him say oh he's a 622 00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:56,799 former director of ufo program in 623 00:26:02,870 --> 00:25:59,760 uap program in u.s uh 624 00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,880 so it's it's it's like i said a baseline 625 00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,960 to to bring them familiar with this 626 00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:06,320 topic we have another researchers in 627 00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:08,080 brazil talk about the official way for 628 00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:11,679 night we have java and so on so it's as 629 00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,480 i said it's a baseline for us to move 630 00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:16,799 forward to bring it their attention to 631 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,549 and i think and 632 00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,070 i think the the well the positive 633 00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,159 is because we have the official 634 00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:31,120 documentation and that documentation is 635 00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,559 very very compelling because uh the 636 00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,640 documentation says that our military has 637 00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,200 affected our military tracked and tried 638 00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,159 to pursue that objects our fishermen our 639 00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,360 indigenous tribes was affected uh and 640 00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,440 all documentation so you need to have a 641 00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:49,919 huge huge huge weight 642 00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,640 for them to to bring that 643 00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,960 some people say i will bring in vagina 644 00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:57,120 we have a big problem with pajamas 645 00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,320 because 646 00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,480 we don't have the military didn't issue 647 00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,559 any documentation about banji 648 00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:04,880 so we have a lot of military that 649 00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:08,240 testimony in a in a condition of 650 00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:09,679 anonymous 651 00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,720 uh 652 00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:12,400 we have um 653 00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,440 doctors from the hospital nurses as you 654 00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:17,600 can you you'll be more aware about it in 655 00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:20,880 the first contact the the documentary 656 00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,919 about the the the vagina that james 657 00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,080 foxes is producing and the interview 658 00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,880 issued and but the the main reason don't 659 00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,200 talk about vagina right now in this way 660 00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,200 if you hear it is because we don't have 661 00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,360 official documentation so people can 662 00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:36,960 contest oh you're talking about 663 00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:39,760 something that the government didn't uh 664 00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:42,880 officially uh accepted yet what we are 665 00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:45,919 planning is is important to talk 666 00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,360 is that for a next vp hearing for the 667 00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,679 next event for a second europe here in 668 00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,159 brazil bring the military bring the 669 00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,480 people that persist participated for 670 00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,240 example in virginia 671 00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:00,559 logically you have to do to to have 672 00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,000 something like a immunity deal with them 673 00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,240 because some of them could sign it some 674 00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:09,120 no disclosure agreements and so on 675 00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:10,080 uh 676 00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,960 this is not a disclosure european it's 677 00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,480 important to say that some people have 678 00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,559 that expectation this is not a 679 00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,159 disclosure european 680 00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,480 this is a baseline the second the third 681 00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,399 will be hearing we can have some 682 00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,799 disclosure 683 00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:28,559 that i was going to ask in that 684 00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,279 documentary moment of contact is is due 685 00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:33,440 out um in the coming months james fox 686 00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:35,120 will release a date for that very soon 687 00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,720 so i'm looking forward to seeing that 688 00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,960 and more about that case so thank you 689 00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,720 for mentioning that 690 00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,960 what do you think the the senate and the 691 00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:44,559 brazilian parliament 692 00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:47,919 can learn from the us hearings because a 693 00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:50,480 lot of people weren't happy with the how 694 00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,240 the how badly prepared moultrie and bray 695 00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,000 were at the us hearings they weren't 696 00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,080 happy with some of the questions they 697 00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,840 weren't happy with the poor choice of 698 00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,240 footage what can be learned that helped 699 00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,480 the brazilian senators 700 00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:09,269 i think the 701 00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:12,960 you as you as you said well uh 702 00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,039 it doesn't it doesn't 703 00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,760 have any any effect 704 00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,240 any effectiveness to bring these people 705 00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,720 to bring this motor and bray 706 00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,640 we have the motors embraced in brazil 707 00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,559 logically but we don't have any 708 00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:28,480 effectiveness about it because these 709 00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:29,360 people 710 00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,679 uh 711 00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,000 so i think what we can learn about the 712 00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,000 the us hearings is that we need some 713 00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,320 legislation we need some some 714 00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,640 dispositives and something some 715 00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,240 mechanisms to 716 00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:47,120 to to help these people to to talk about 717 00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:47,919 that 718 00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,679 this i think is what we learned with 719 00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:54,720 that 720 00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,200 we we we can 721 00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,080 talk any anything new uh we bring the 722 00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,159 attention of the media we bring the 723 00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,720 attention of the people uh i was our 724 00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,039 hours watching this this will be hearing 725 00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,520 again and we have mastered half million 726 00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,000 of watches it's a huge it's huge i don't 727 00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,640 know if you have any anyway hearing in 728 00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,200 congress with this this amount of people 729 00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,039 watching so 730 00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,200 uh just bring attention just bring the 731 00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:25,840 scientists to to even not participate 732 00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,240 but to scratch their heads and say oh 733 00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:29,919 that is something onto that that we 734 00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,640 could investigate so i think it's it's 735 00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,960 it's positive even if you don't have any 736 00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,200 new revelation these events are very 737 00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,880 positive 738 00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:40,559 you're right that on that youtube 739 00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:43,600 channel for for congress i believe i'm 740 00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:45,360 i'm being very rough with my figures 741 00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,640 here normally around 50 to 100 people 742 00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:51,120 watch those live streams there were many 743 00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,320 thousand watching the us live stream uh 744 00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,600 of the uap hearings and like you say on 745 00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:59,840 that page the the video has over half a 746 00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,399 million views now which is many many 747 00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:04,880 many more than i think every other video 748 00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,679 on that page combined which is positive 749 00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:09,840 but i think it's fair to point out that 750 00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,919 i think eight million people watched 751 00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,159 amber heard and johnny depp's courtroom 752 00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,279 case so there's still a huge gulf 753 00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:18,960 and the mainstream public with an 754 00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:21,519 interest in the subject still 755 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,600 not quite there that many of us would 756 00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,960 hope but 757 00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,159 like you say 758 00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,320 hearings like this in brazil and those 759 00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:30,799 that have happened in the us can only 760 00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:31,600 help 761 00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,200 raise that awareness and raise that 762 00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:36,080 mainstream platform i was going to ask 763 00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,679 is this uh event on the 24th of june 764 00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:40,960 going to be on 765 00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,120 youtube live can people watch this 766 00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,200 hearing 767 00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,440 yes we will have uh 768 00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:49,600 sanh tv that in brazil called te 769 00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:50,880 vecinado 770 00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:51,679 uh 771 00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,320 posted some some thinking twitter about 772 00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,720 that but everyone also another another 773 00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,720 when we have more closure to that data 774 00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,880 we announced that the link so people can 775 00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:04,480 enter and see 776 00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:07,120 probably we have this being transmitted 777 00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:08,240 live 778 00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:09,840 as we have 779 00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:13,039 uh people that from from uk people from 780 00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:16,720 us you have probably translators 781 00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:19,519 i don't know if you have translators 782 00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,480 in the live feed okay but probably you 783 00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,240 have it 784 00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:26,320 the the youtube has the 785 00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,519 the real-time translation is not perfect 786 00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,279 but it's good to understand so it can 787 00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,840 people can use it also but probably we 788 00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:36,080 have this being area live and people 789 00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:37,600 will 790 00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:40,559 know the 791 00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,080 the real the correct time yet maybe 10 792 00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:46,880 a.m and a 9 a.m we don't have time to 793 00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:47,919 finish 794 00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:50,640 uh we are we are discussing that it can 795 00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,960 be as long as four hours 796 00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:53,919 uh 797 00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,120 and this is what we are we are planning 798 00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:59,279 i think the closed captioning the 799 00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,600 subtitles on youtube when it's live like 800 00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,760 you see aren't perfect but i think 801 00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:05,840 they're okay and some listeners use 802 00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,240 those to listen to me so uh if it works 803 00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:10,000 for me i'm sure it'll work for for the 804 00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,039 brazilian 805 00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:13,440 the portuguese language as well 806 00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,519 i want to ask before we get to some 807 00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,519 listener questions ronnie 808 00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,679 do you think that you've sort of said 809 00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,840 already but there will be more hearings 810 00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,480 from this do you already expect there to 811 00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:26,720 be a second and third and potentially 812 00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:29,440 fourth follow-on hearing that this won't 813 00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,960 just be won and finished 814 00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,720 yes uh 815 00:33:41,070 --> 00:33:37,440 i think after this hearing 816 00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:41,080 the not only the senate but our 817 00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:42,799 representatives 818 00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,240 will be aware and more interested to to 819 00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,320 search about this topic 820 00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:51,360 uh and i think it's a very very big 821 00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:54,559 probability to to we have another second 822 00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,080 and third 823 00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,480 you're hearing this time bringing the 824 00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:00,480 government officials this time bring the 825 00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:03,840 military to talk about that and to bring 826 00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,519 to new information uh as i said 827 00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,280 we need some 828 00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:12,079 immunity mechanism to to avoid these 829 00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,200 people to to being uh come down and 830 00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,720 something like that 831 00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:18,079 but i think we 832 00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:19,760 the probability to have a second and 833 00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,879 third uap hearings not only senate but 834 00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:24,800 in in 835 00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:28,079 our representatives house uh it's it's 836 00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,520 it's almost a 837 00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:32,079 certainty okay 838 00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,000 ronnie i want to ask you a few listener 839 00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,919 questions if you don't mind uh because 840 00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,440 they'll cover some different topics that 841 00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,679 we've not managed to talk about yet a 842 00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:41,599 lot of interesting information thank you 843 00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,599 on the upcoming hearings and i 844 00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,960 definitely want to speak to you again 845 00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,800 about those hearings after they've 846 00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,040 happened so that would be fantastic 847 00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,320 um first question from ryan ryan asks 848 00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,040 what are the top three most convincing 849 00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:57,839 ufo cases in brazil that the world 850 00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:02,630 uh 851 00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,520 we have i think the most convincing is 852 00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,359 that once that we have official 853 00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,720 documentation 854 00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,920 okay 855 00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,800 uh 856 00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,560 the the the ones that we have 857 00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:15,359 documentation is operation saucer that 858 00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,160 was did by 859 00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:20,800 the brazilian air force in the 70s we 860 00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:24,000 have a lot of documentation about that 861 00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:28,079 we have the official ufo night in 1986 862 00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:31,119 where pilots of air force uh track and 863 00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,480 pursue the these 21 objects in our skies 864 00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,119 we have a lot of tapes of pilots talking 865 00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,200 about that with the air command 866 00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,760 controller and so on 867 00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:43,200 we had the 868 00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,160 that that that event that i think didn't 869 00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,480 happen in any any place i think only in 870 00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,240 belgium 871 00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,160 but nothing uh 872 00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,160 the the scale that happened in brazil 873 00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,079 this we had our 874 00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,400 minister of the the air force our 875 00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,000 commander of the air force we have all 876 00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,880 the pilots that was uh piloting that 877 00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:05,520 that that fighters at that night and 878 00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:08,079 every one of them in live tv talking 879 00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:10,839 about it openly so it was 880 00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,680 huge some people don't know about but 881 00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,040 it's happening 882 00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,599 a live a live a live event on tv with 883 00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,160 all these people talk about ufos no this 884 00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,720 was there it's a red big and what is 885 00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:25,440 trying to approach uh he 886 00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,760 did play it with me and so on and and 887 00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:29,680 pilots talking about opening what you're 888 00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,000 talking uh graves and and dietrich and 889 00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:36,320 so on are talking right now 890 00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,079 we had in 1986 in brazil uh and it was 891 00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,240 huge so this is the second one the third 892 00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,880 one i think it's the the akri case which 893 00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,119 decay that case in state of fact in 894 00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:49,280 brazil about the indigenous tribes 895 00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,560 uh as i said we have almost 200 pages 896 00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:54,560 and 20 minutes of videos about the 897 00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:56,960 federal police investigations 898 00:37:02,470 --> 00:36:59,440 and investigations uh uh 899 00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,480 also from the national engineer federal 900 00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:04,960 indigenous foundation from prosecutors 901 00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,839 federal service and so 902 00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,240 on uh 903 00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,000 so i think this is the three big case in 904 00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:12,720 brazil we have vagina 905 00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:13,440 but 906 00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,119 we don't have yet 907 00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:17,040 the documentation but what is incredible 908 00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,960 about vagina and 909 00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:20,480 and that we've seen that the commentary 910 00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:23,839 of james fox because a lot of military 911 00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,960 that participated in that operation to 912 00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,720 capture that being 913 00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,040 talked about that not 914 00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:33,040 appearing 915 00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,160 showing her 916 00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,040 their identity but talking about in 917 00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:39,280 video we have video of this military 918 00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,240 with this face identification talking 919 00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,400 about it not one military two military 920 00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:46,640 we have a lot of military uh talking 921 00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,520 about that we have a lot of population 922 00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:51,760 people from that seed that saw that we 923 00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:54,960 have doctor people from hospital and so 924 00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,920 on so the number of of witnesses 925 00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,280 is very huge 926 00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,720 and the 927 00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:03,359 the story that all these people that 928 00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:05,430 didn't know each other uh 929 00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:06,480 [Music] 930 00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,599 tell us they are compatible so 931 00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,280 did this come in the direction that the 932 00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,160 event is was real and i hope that we can 933 00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:16,640 move forward to have this documentation 934 00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,880 and the military and the government talk 935 00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,280 about that and i think james fox and 936 00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:24,240 moment of contact documentary uh will 937 00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,839 will help us to to have that 938 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,000 thank you for that the next question 939 00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,320 from mitchell mitchell mentions that 940 00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,400 you've talked about robert salas who 941 00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:36,640 will be testifying and speaking at the 942 00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,440 hearings he was an operator at malmstrom 943 00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,839 air force base during the famous uap 944 00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:43,839 incident that occurred there 945 00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,640 uh 946 00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:46,960 mitchell is excited to hear that robert 947 00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,520 salas will be part of the hearing but he 948 00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,440 wants to know why is the brazilian 949 00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:53,520 government calling on an american 950 00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,400 military veteran to testify what benefit 951 00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:58,480 is there that robert salas will be 952 00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:01,839 speaking at this event 953 00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,400 uh the benefit the the the 954 00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:06,480 what's the benefit of that i think we 955 00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,960 don't have uh uranus something like the 956 00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:10,960 commander euroland 957 00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,119 uh which was the the commander of the 958 00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:16,320 operation saucer that committed suicide 959 00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,800 in 1997 960 00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,560 and we don't have some people like that 961 00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,920 we don't have in brazil people like 962 00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:24,720 elizondo that participated in ufo 963 00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:25,760 program 964 00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:28,480 so i think bring these people 965 00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:30,560 this very very credible people like 966 00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,520 elizondo like uh salas to this event uh 967 00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:37,520 since we don't have this kind of people 968 00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:41,040 in brazil uh we will bring the attention 969 00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:42,800 of the of the 970 00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:43,760 the 971 00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,880 brazilian 972 00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,800 congress 973 00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,320 because of the credibility the 974 00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:50,960 credentials this the the 975 00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,760 the the the out of the story that we 976 00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:55,040 would tell 977 00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:58,320 there and people say well but silas 978 00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,800 everyone knows about known the the 979 00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,720 brazilian congressmen don't know about 980 00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,720 the star the people congress are not 981 00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,960 familiar with this topic the people of 982 00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:08,480 brazilian congress 983 00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,240 don't know how betsal has done of the 984 00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,960 master events incidents so i think 985 00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,800 they'll be very very shocking to to 986 00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,200 discover about that 987 00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:20,160 um you've mentioned the collars event 988 00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,200 several times and eli wants to know what 989 00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,960 are the chances that the brazilian 990 00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:26,800 military or brazilian government will 991 00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:29,440 release more information to the public 992 00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:35,589 yes just two people become more aware 993 00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:37,040 about this 994 00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,560 this incident 995 00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:40,720 we call coloradans because colors was 996 00:40:43,530 --> 00:40:43,359 the city uh that we had 997 00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,540 the 998 00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:44,960 [Music] 999 00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:47,280 the the the mo the the 1000 00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,560 the highest number of events but we have 1001 00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,440 the the this incidence of people being 1002 00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:56,400 affected by these these objects in at 1003 00:41:02,710 --> 00:40:59,440 least three states in brazil uh mainland 1004 00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:02,720 two marayan state and paradise state a 1005 00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,359 lot of cities they covered these 1006 00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:07,920 vehicles these objects covered almost 1007 00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,280 all the cities uh in a roads between 1008 00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,160 these two states it's an object that was 1009 00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:16,400 coming from the sea coming from the 1010 00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,280 rivers and using the rivers as a roads 1011 00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,119 to to do all this stuff 1012 00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,560 uh so the we call coladas but it is 1013 00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,920 important to people to be aware that 1014 00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:27,680 it's affected two states in brazil two 1015 00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:30,560 big states and a lot of cities almost 1016 00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,119 all the cities in the in the 1017 00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:35,839 the the along the sea the sea line the 1018 00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:37,119 seashore 1019 00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,640 and i think i think we know about uh uh 1020 00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,079 we know uh 1021 00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,160 thanks to twitter and yolanda which was 1022 00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:46,560 the commander of the operation uh that 1023 00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:50,800 we have very very compelling uh video 1024 00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:54,160 footage about these events we have uh 1025 00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,599 videos from 1026 00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,240 the a few meters from the from the ship 1027 00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:00,960 that air force personnel recorded it we 1028 00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:04,640 have this these flying saucers or uaps 1029 00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:08,000 going inside the river and getting out 1030 00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,319 the river uh we have some videos about a 1031 00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,319 huge uh 1032 00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:17,040 football uh uh 1033 00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:18,000 ball 1034 00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,200 shape 1035 00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,520 that was as huge as 1036 00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,839 three three hundred feet 1037 00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,440 in front of the military person now we 1038 00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,280 have that that movie 1039 00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:29,280 and i think that when we start the 1040 00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,240 conversations move to that immunity 1041 00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,200 mechanisms bring military and bring 1042 00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,359 people to the brazilian congress it will 1043 00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,440 have a very very good 1044 00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,240 probability to have this kind of videos 1045 00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,040 coming coming forward but we need the 1046 00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:48,480 congress to work and and provide all the 1047 00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,599 other all the positive scenarios to that 1048 00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,280 happen 1049 00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,760 is there going to be a classified and a 1050 00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,160 declassified section to these hearings 1051 00:43:02,069 --> 00:43:00,079 like in the us there was 90 minutes 1052 00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,079 which the public could hear but then 1053 00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,800 there was a further session after where 1054 00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:07,040 it was a classified section for those 1055 00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:13,750 no we don't have the that one because we 1056 00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:14,880 don't have 1057 00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,079 the military able to talk this time 1058 00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,560 but what i think is that you know 1059 00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,160 after this event 1060 00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:24,160 certainly the the congressman we 1061 00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,839 arranged to to hear from from from from 1062 00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,839 this military in closing sessions i 1063 00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,280 think it's something that will start to 1064 00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:33,680 happen here in brazil and this year we 1065 00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,640 will we will we'll start new will be 1066 00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:38,880 will be hearings and so on i think it 1067 00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,240 will happen here in brazil 1068 00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,040 and final listener question from dave 1069 00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,599 goes a little bit more speculative 1070 00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:50,160 and he wants to know uh there are 1071 00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:53,760 potential talks and hypotheses that just 1072 00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,000 off the coast of california san diego 1073 00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:58,240 where the tic tac event happened there 1074 00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,520 could be some sort of underwater base 1075 00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,240 where these ufos or uaps 1076 00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,359 can can stay or they they gather or they 1077 00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:09,760 they use as some sort of like i say base 1078 00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:11,839 do you think there are any potential 1079 00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:14,800 spots in brazil in some of the remote 1080 00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,520 parts of brazil or offshore where there 1081 00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,480 could be potential ufo or 1082 00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:22,560 alien bases 1083 00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,440 so so we can we can uh notice some two 1084 00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:29,040 two main types of the phenomenon in 1085 00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,720 brazil as i said in the beginning we 1086 00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:31,760 have 1087 00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,319 some like interdimensional phenomena 1088 00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:38,720 this is the dimensional phenomena uh 1089 00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:42,640 appears in in zones of we have big hills 1090 00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:45,839 some preserved ecosystems and so on 1091 00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:50,240 these technological devices appear 1092 00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,839 mainly near the amazon okay 1093 00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,240 but we have also in our shoreline here 1094 00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,240 in southeast for example in sao paulo we 1095 00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,720 have this this type of of vehicles 1096 00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:03,520 operating here in sao paulo and so on 1097 00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:04,800 from the sea 1098 00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:05,599 so 1099 00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,960 we we we we we know a lot of cases that 1100 00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,800 these objects come 1101 00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,480 and go to the sea 1102 00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:15,200 uh these objects navigate through the 1103 00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,960 rivers in amer in 1104 00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,400 amazon forest 1105 00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:20,960 and they come out of the river affect 1106 00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:23,040 people do all the job that they they 1107 00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:24,160 have to do 1108 00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,280 when people start to to complain about 1109 00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,280 that the government become aware start 1110 00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:31,920 to investigate this phenomenon gets the 1111 00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:35,440 river to the and go to the another city 1112 00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,839 and do the same thing and this continues 1113 00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,800 since the 70s we have that happening in 1114 00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,960 in office in brazil and not from brazil 1115 00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,400 in paradise 1116 00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,720 that state of the operation saucer this 1117 00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:48,960 thing was moving uh 1118 00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:51,839 to the to the west in the direction of 1119 00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:54,960 the the peru and so on 1120 00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,079 and we have that uh events happening in 1121 00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:01,440 yakri which is in brazil akri status for 1122 00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:04,240 people to know is in the border of peru 1123 00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,760 so and we had in 2000 these events 1124 00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,480 happening also in the in the peru the 1125 00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:12,960 country of peru in the same way 1126 00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:16,240 objects going uh coming from and in in 1127 00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,359 the water from the the the rivers from 1128 00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,839 the sea attacking people moving and so 1129 00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,599 on the same behavior 1130 00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:25,839 so this is this is how the the 1131 00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,280 phenomenal uh affects us here in our 1132 00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,390 it's fascinating conversation ronnie and 1133 00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,640 i really enjoyed speaking with you um 1134 00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,640 we've got a lot of information now about 1135 00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,040 what we can expect so people don't 1136 00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,680 expect too much from these hearings but 1137 00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,119 essentially we're going to get a really 1138 00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,839 interesting baseline to move forward and 1139 00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,760 build on that very similar to what we've 1140 00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,160 had in the us i just want to ask one 1141 00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,480 more time ronnie how can people follow 1142 00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,880 you online and also follow your work i 1143 00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,319 know you've got a youtube channel as 1144 00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,000 well 1145 00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,400 yes for the english speakers i recommend 1146 00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,800 the twitter because almost 90 percent 1147 00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:07,280 what i post in twitter is in english 1148 00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,560 it's a it's a form that i adopted to to 1149 00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,319 to talk with people from other countries 1150 00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,319 to expand to do more networking about 1151 00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:16,640 that and to share information 1152 00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:19,760 i have also my my instagram my youtube 1153 00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:23,200 channel and my and my my facebook but it 1154 00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,760 almost all the contacts is in 1155 00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,599 all the other stuff there all the 1156 00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,000 material is in portuguese is something 1157 00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:33,839 that i do from people from here but but 1158 00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:36,880 if people can can find me in all these 1159 00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,839 places just just type honey veneer in 1160 00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,000 all these these social media platforms 1161 00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,640 then you you will find me 1162 00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,319 i'll put all of those links in the 1163 00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,319 description for this show and bonnie 1164 00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:50,079 you'll have to come back on once the 1165 00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,760 hearings have been to talk about what 1166 00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,240 happened at the hearing 1167 00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:55,839 okay thank you very much erin thank you 1168 00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,160 for inviting me thank you for evidence 1169 00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,000 that will see this conversation i hope 1170 00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,400 you enjoyed sorry about my my accent my 1171 00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:04,960 brazilian accent english 1172 00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,280 but i think you can understand why what 1173 00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:09,280 i have to to say 1174 00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,880 your english was better than mine don't 1175 00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,200 worry that is all for this week's show 1176 00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,359 thank you very much for listening please 1177 00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,359 remember to leave the podcast to review 1178 00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,000 on your chosen platform you can like 1179 00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,319 retweet and subscribe that would all be 1180 00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,240 very much appreciated the shows are 1181 00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:26,400 being uploaded onto youtube as we speak 1182 00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:27,920 more and more you can sign up at 1183 00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:30,480 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serious 1199 00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:32,230 [Music] 1200 00:51:11,310 --> 00:50:52,829 it 1201 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:26,710 [Music] 1202 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:41,160 so